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    T3 - impact on gains, its effectiveness for fat loss when on cycle, and how to deal with tthe social side effects induced by it

    I’ve been running 800mg deca, 500mg test undecoanate (nebido) weekly for about 2 months now. The test u has a a somewhat reduced elimination (not terminal) half life of 21 days because I’m not doing 1mg per shot per 12 weeks like nebido is recommended - so half life drops from 27 days to about...
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    Brand new just wanted to say hi!

    sounds like a plan, btw there’s a huge # of people who don’t know they have some degree of lactose intolerance. It’s not an on/off thing, more of a continuum. Can you do a gallon of milk a day without temporarily messing up your digestive system? I can handle 2 tall glasses of normal milk daily...
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    Brand new just wanted to say hi!

    I’m still doing it, daily intake is ~5000 cals, 350-400 gym protein. As far as the bloat I think that’s a function of the quality of the supplement plus amount of lactose if you’re lactose intolerant etc. E.g regular choc milk makes me bloated and then have diarrhea Slim fast Atkins pure protein...
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    Deca + ketotifen

    Well, I noticed that w/o test I was prone to get hayfever from 12 to 48 hr pwo. W test the hayfever and allergies are 80-90% less significant. So, i did jump back on test while keeping the deca steady. Moon face is back but for now I’m accepting it as part of the bulking phase package. As...
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    Deca + ketotifen

    Bigmurph you’ve got of tons of experience and give solid advice so I’m always listening to what you have to say but let me give rationale for keeping test so low: 'm keeping it low due to moonface issues that I get only with test once I go above 200mg weekly. Sodium intake manipulation, water...
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    Deca + ketotifen

    I’ve heard that too but I already take 8 Benadryl pills daily, up to 12 on pwo days, otherwise my allergies get out of control, and I end up getting a fever
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    Deca + ketotifen

    As a starting point for comparison following a month of ketotifen use Here’s my current state: I’m currently at about 235 lbs@5’11", 34" waist, shirt size XL but for loose tank tops xxl, arm size between 16.75 and 17" depending on water retention. My last two workouts 5 days ago bench 250lbs 2...
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    Deca + ketotifen

    I’ve noticed that since starting deca post workout inflammation seems to subside a lot faster and even at it speak isn’t as debilitating as it used to be for me earlier. My recovery period has improved from btw 5-7 days to ~2 days. Yes aas do this in general but the effect wasn’t even remotely...
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    Steriods?

    I absolutely agree. It doesn’t get easier. You’re just able to push yourself harder when training without having to worry as much about compromising recovery or overtraining. Still gotta use good form, good training programming, watch the macros, eat a house or two, sleep like a baby, etc...
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    Arms or legs? To improve first

    I agree that it’s foolish to ignore legs for someone new to lifting since your goal at that point will be to build a strong base. But dudes like mark rippletoe piss me off because the emphasis is way too much on squats especially once the trainee is no longer a newbie. Let’s be honest, why’d you...
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    Bigmurph's next cycle testoviron npp var

    the sodium intake point is definitely valid but what throws me off is the dramatic difference observed in face shape w/o changing my diet but by replacing most of my test w/ deca then I find this https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7087483 i don’t know enough about the impact of changes in...
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    Drop calories or full keto - no longer on DNP

    Good question really not sure what the best solution is but maybe it depends on your biochemistry and ymmv for each option. Never used DNP so dunno about that and keto was a mixed bag for me - got lean but lost so much strength even when pretty much living on protein only Your diet is super...
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    Brand new just wanted to say hi!

    Yeah it is beyond frustrating but I’ve had to live with it or be okay with making zero progress. Although I’m very pleased with the drastically reduced recovery time I’ve noticed after switching from test to deca and upping the dose from 200 to 400. Still just the first week so I’ll wait till...
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    Musclehead320 Arrested and Charged with Selling Counterfiet Steroids- Oynx Pharmaceuticals Steroids

    Grr! this sort of stuff actually lends credibility to dumb mainstream notions such as - steroids make you stupid / become more impulsive / lack self control, etc. Also the antics of these idiots make medically sound ideas like trt/hrt become controversial in public opinion, ruining things for...
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    Bigmurph's next cycle testoviron npp var

    also dang that’s a lot of gear in your system at one time. it seems to work for you though! I’ve never gone past 400 mg total (all compounds combined) per week so I’m curious about how it feels to be on 1350mg of gear
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    Bigmurph's next cycle testoviron npp var

    definitely seeing gains based on the pics, nice increase in vascularity in the arms as well. re: the bloat is only in my face nowhere else, body is lean. Did a little experimenting this week - dropped test from 300 to 100, and almost instantly the jawline reappeared (the difference is dramatic...
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    Var v. Turinabol

    thanks for the quick responses fellas! I went with the var for the reasons you outlined above and also the much less severe negative impact on lipids. Good reminder about the taurine i totally forgot about that. adequate hydration is not that big a struggle for me typically because unless I’m...
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    Prescribed meds anabolic / anti catabolic

    So I have add and been on meds for it forever. New doc gave a choice btw adderall & Wellbutrin. My research indicated that adderalll raised cortisol while bupropion lowers tnf-alpha. So I switched from addy to wb-have seen s huge improvement in general health and ability to grow. Wondering if...
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    Brand new just wanted to say hi!

    Oh like you i too have some unique constraints /challenges , descrubed them in detail in my first post on ugl, for me the issue is excessive inflammation pwo & crazy slow recovery. Prolly the only guy who trying to make gains on a training volume of 5 total sets per week
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    Var v. Turinabol

    Which one is preferred as low dose complement to 400mg deca + proviron for slow moderately lean bulk? Also does brand make a difference - need to pick btw alpha pharma & euro med in 24 hrs. Ignore quality concerns due to fakes-have access to authentic pharm grade
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